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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: We're in a Mess Reply with quote

I don't know about you but I'm disgusted at the way this Govt has repeatedly messed things up. I had hopes that when Tonly Blair finally went Gordn Brown would step up to the mark and be a positive force in Govt.

What a total let he's been.......... he's been bloody useless form the day he stepped up as PM. The economy is a total mess, the prices of food, utility bills and fuel are rocketing, the housing market is slumping and he's doing NOTHING to help.



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He blamed "international factors" for rising oil and food prices and housing market problems and said he was taking the right action to deal with them.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7401846.stm

Bollocks Gordon ~ this is just a whiny way of trying to pass the buck for this Govt's total failing. When fuel companies annnounce digusting profits running into billions he's doing nothing to stem the ever increasing price of fuel.

We're heading for a recession......... and I fear gloomy times are ahead.  
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice he's going on a media charm offensive.............. he really does make me bl**dy sick.

He and Blair took all the credit when the international economy was doing well - and also initially on the backs of the last Tory administration too  (he kept the economic policies of Major's Government going for some years after getting in power).  And now things are turning bitter he blames the international situation!

And as for fuel and energy prices.............  what's happened to the regulators?   They just don't want to know, or it's not in their remit.   The privatised utility companies (mostly owned abroad!) have virtually a free hand to do what they like, with little if any government controls.  Something's wrong there......... we are being held to ransom by these energy giants.

The government gain substantially every time fuel prices go up - and also energy.  There's a 5% VAT on gas and electricity - now that's totally wrong in my view.

I've just got my gas bill too............  and even tho' I've cut down substantially on heating, it still came as a shock.  With the threats of further increases I'm really getting worried now.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've just got my gas bill too............  and even tho' I've cut down substantially on heating, it still came as a shock.  With the threats of further increases I'm really getting worried now


I hear you loud and clear Rik ~ I think an awful lot of people are in the same situation. I dread the bills coming in at the moment and I'm afraid many people will falling well below the poverty line very soon......... the knock on effect of all this doesn't bear thinking about.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it in a nation of 60 million we allways seem to get the bigest plonker in charge
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I don't agree, international fac tors ARE the biggest threat, and the biggest problem in managing the economy has been that Labour has been too much like the Conservatives.

The Tories have always insisted that government should not interfere in the free market, yet when the free market results in billions of pounds being wasted on investing in sub-prime mortgages, the Tories accuse the government of not intervening early enough!

Far from being a plonker, as Chancellor Gordon Brown has overseen the longest period without a recession since the 1960s, when Labour were in charge again. What we are still stuck with, though, is a Tory press that was quite happy to let Thatcher and Major blame international factors for the three recessions they engineered and then refuse to accept that it is true the first time the free market acts stupidly.

Remember that Europe and America have both suffered recession this decade, there are now 10 million more Americans unemployed than when Clinton left office, yet when it looks like we're heading for one it's all Labour's fault. Some of it is, but blaming Gordon Brown just because the scum at the Daily Mail say so in defiance of all the facts is just pandering to the media - the same media that wassaying not so long ago that we pagans murder babies 14 times a day.

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I take your point, Steve, and I certainly share your views on the Daily Mail and the extreme right-wing media!    However, the point I was really trying to make is that Labour have consistently taken the credit for relatively international stability over the past ten years, yet now blame international pressures for the coming recession.  They can't have it both ways!  (or perhaps, as politicians they can................ )
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should have had a general election when Tony Blair announced he was resigning. I, for one, would NOT have voted for Gordon Brown!!

It's time it was put to the country who we want as Prime Minister. Gordon Brown is only in the job he currently has because someone else left it in the first place.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree!   It's happened a few times in recent years (eg Wilson>Callaghan; Thatcher>Major) but with a change of leader and potentially new policies, then the administration in power should, in fairness, go to the country to ratify the new PM.  However, sadly, their argument (whoever's in power) will always argue that the people voted for the party rather than the person.

Another change I think is long overdue is for a fixed-term parliament.  The present system whereby the sitting PM can choose whatever date is beneficial to their party is unsustainable in a democracy.   And strictly speaking, as we don't have a written constitution, even the five years parliamentary term isn't set in stone!   Tho' the monarch still has powers to dissolve parliament if that issue ever arose - as with dismissing PMs and ministers etc.  Tho' of course in practise it would never happen unless, possibly, a severe breach of democratic responsibilities occurred.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think America has the right idea in they way they run their Premier's time in office.

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1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

This means that no single person can serve more than 10 years as President. In other words, if a President can no longer serve in office, the Vice President could serve-out up to 2 years of the President's term and then go on to be elected to 2 full, 4-year terms -- 10 years.


Seems fair to me


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